2024 Porsche 911 Dakar driven | Autoblog Podcast #835

In this episode of the Autoblog Podcast, Editor-in-Chief Greg Migliore is joined by Associate Editor Byron Hurd for a packed and fast-paced episode headlined by an absolute superstar: the 2024 Porsche 911 Dakar. Autoblog's Detroit contingent has spent the week with the off-road 911 and boy, do they have thoughts. From there, it's on to the rest of the fleet. Both Greg and Byron have recently sampled the latest Mercedes E-Class (in 350 and 450 guises), the 2024 Mazda CX-90 and CX-70 (look for a feature comparison soon!) and the 2023 Subaru WRX, and both Greg and Byron offer some updates on their time in the long-term Subaru and Mazda; suffice it to say, Byron is a fan of the little orange sedan. With drive impressions wrapped, it's on to news. Is there a future for the Toyota Supra? Plus: the cancellation of the Geneva Motor Show, the unveiling of the 2024 Jeep Wagoneer S and rumors of a Cherokee revival before year's end. They cap things off with a "Spend My Money" update featuring a 2024 Lexus LC Coupe.

Send us your questions for the Mailbag and Spend My Money at: Podcast@Autoblog.com.

Transcript

Welcome back to the owner blog podcast.

I'm Greg mcleary.

We've got an awesome show for you this week.

We've been driving something really special.

The Porsche 911, the car, it's a limited run, uh Porsche 911.

That's all set up.

Uh sort of to the thematically to the history of the Dar rally, which means it's an off-road 911.

It's pretty wild.

Uh Associate editor Byron Hurd and I have spent some time in it as well as a couple other.

We've been trading cars this week.

So it's a, it's been a busy week around the shop here at auto blog.

I've also been at the Mercedes E 354 Matic.

Uh We'll talk about the Mazda CX 70 with the in line six and of course, an update on our Subaru Wrx.

It's a log term update.

We'll run through some news, talk about some things out of Jeep and some other things and we have an update on spending your money.

It's an LC 500 it's a good one.

So with that, I'd like to welcome in Byron HD.

How are you, man?

Hey, I am doing well.

It's uh it's been kind of a, a wild week here, like, maybe not a lot of automotive news but, you know, we've had tornadoes and things like that here in Detroit.

So it's just been, it's been keeping us on our toes.

But, uh, yeah, no complaints.

Yeah, the tornado was wild.

It, uh, yeah, it's seem a little early in the summer for that to be happening.

But, uh, right now it's just a cool June morning.

That's sort of part of uh June right before we get into the hot part of summer.

It's gonna be cool this weekend.

Really?

It's a perfect morning.

Um One of those sort of transitional days that's almost kind of gauzy with the sun and well, in this case, the, the cotton wood or whatever, this is floating everywhere.

So it's literally a little fuzzy but nice time of year.

It is all right.

So let's get into this portion.

911, the car, this is, this is super wild.

Uh You dropped this off at my house yesterday after spending a day with it.

Um It's, there's a lot going on here so it's lifted and you can actually uh adjust the ride height, it has wheel arches, um, big wheels as well.

It uh is tuned to basically go rallying uh inside.

You've got these carbon fiber seats that are super stiff, they're, you can't really adjust them very much.

So it's not a very comfortable place.

Uh It's got the Ford and 73 horsepower motor PDK.

Um, other than that, it's fairly subtle, you know, the package, you know, that we have is like, just sort of a teal.

So we don't have any, like the kind of crazy rally graphics starts at $222,000.

So, I mean, that's pretty wild.

Um, so that's kind of the basics of it.

It's a limited run uh, vehicle, I think just about 2500.

Uh, they're gonna make.

So if you want one, you gotta pay for it and you should probably, I don't know if they're already sold out.

But, um, you know, I would talk to your Porsche dealer ASAP if you're interested in something like this.

It's, uh, it's really a unicorn too, I think.

Uh, you and I have probably both driven some pretty interesting Porsches, interesting sports cars, interesting off roaders.

But to drive a 911 that's very much set up to go off roading.

It's, it's very much something that, uh, I, I don't expect to drive anything like this again, uh, anytime soon.

So it's actually, uh more like mid-morning.

We're heading towards lunch because I was out, still driving this thing and I wanted to get some more impressions.

Uh I took it out last night at sunset.

It was great.

Did a little off roading.

Very light off roading more like almost like a service road kind of off of Woodward.

It was kind of near this golf course.

Uh, it reminded me of the first time I took the maki off roading and I was like, wow, I've never said, hey, I wanna take a mustang and then let's go off roading.

But, um, yeah, I mean, this is, this is pretty wild.

What do you think?

I'm, I mean, I was going into it like thinking this is a $220,000 Porsche, of course before markup and, and all that kind of mean, I doubt any of these are actually selling for just $220,000.

Regardless.

This thing is just when you look at it on paper, it, it's basically a 911 gts with a lift kit when you actually drive it, it is not that at all.

It doesn't, I mean, I don't want to say it doesn't feel like a 911 because when you drive it on the street, especially when you have the suspension hunkered down and you hammer it.

I mean, it goes like a 911.

It certainly, it's hard to wrap my head around this thing just like as a package.

Like, I, I think I told you this yesterday, this is the only car besides the mclaren 720 s that I've driven, that people have like lost their minds over neighbors, like literally slamming on their brakes and then backing up to come by the driveway and like, what in the world do you have and, you know, like most of these people aren't car guys.

I live in a pretty working class community on the west side of Detroit.

You know, no one's rolling around in 911, let alone these.

So it, it was a site, it created a scene everywhere it went and for a car, I mean, it has the exact same horsepower as my CT four V Blackwing 473 horsepower.

But it punches like a 911 when it's accelerating.

It is quicker than my car.

It is, you know, that, that fierce little sports coup is in there.

But the tires on the thing, the tread voids in them are bigger than the ones on the altering tires on my Wrangler.

And it's just, it's pure absurdity, everything about it.

Like, if you think it's like a 911 off road, it's just, it's not a formula that anyone would immediately, you know, jump to.

It's not, it's, it's, it's not like the ultimate end goal of a 911 is to be an off road vehicle, but for some reason it comes together so brilliantly, it's just a big dumb laugh of a car.

And I mean, if it was 100 and $50,000 like if you could, you know, build it the way you can build a GTs and it was like a mass production vehicle, I think these things would sell like crazy and the fact that it is so limited run and so exclusive I think is maybe its biggest detriment because like this is a car that needs to be out there that people want to experience this thing.

And I get that like keeping expensive and exclusive makes it special.

But a 911 is already pretty darn special and you know, seeing five of these a year instead of one every five years would serve everybody so well.

So like this is my, I guess my, my saying like, hey, if Porsha is listening, let's do this again and let's do a lot more of them because more people need to be able to experience this thing.

It's such a laugh, not to throw this too much off the rails.

But while I was driving around last night, I was thinking not just Porsche but other car companies I think should adopt this template, you know, take the performance coop, lift it, maybe you add all wheel drive, maybe you don't.

But you know, I mean, I think a Mustang would make a ton of sense.

Camaro.

I don't really think that's their lineage.

Um Miata could be interesting.

Uh I don't know if fiat ever does a coop again.

Hey, I mean, they used to do some rallying.

So uh I, I definitely think there's some room in here, Volkswagen Beetle, you know, I mean, you could do some things in this segment, this like segment one of one that doesn't even exist, but I think you could have some fun here and, you know, everybody seems to love off Roaders.

Um, you could do one at like 60,000.

It doesn't have to be this much money, so there's room to run here.

And I mean, so you get past, not that you even want to get past off all the off road stuff, but I mean, the flat 6 473 horsepower 3.2 seconds, this thing can still run.

It sounds like it's raspy, it's harsh.

Um, PDK is definitely tuned for like, you know, off road and like, you know, rallying because it could be a little harsh to drive around town.

Um, but I mean, it's still a 911 for sure.

Yeah.

And I mean, even, you know, when you, when you get on it, I mean, the speed limit on this, I believe is only 100 and 49 miles an hour, which only, I mean, that's plenty fast for public roads, but that's still low for even just a 911 Carrera as I think that's closer to 1 79 1 80 something somewhere in that ballpark.

So it's, it's objectively slow and, and that's really down to the tires, right.

Like, if, if this thing had regular summer tires on it, which you can get, I was actually looking at, at tire racquetball places earlier just to get an idea of like the size of these tires versus like a Wrangler Rubicon 392 which has an even lower top speed limiter on it.

That's more a factor of it being a body on frame, relatively short wheel base SUV with a big stupid vh in it.

But looking at this like the, the, the tire options on this include uh a summer and a winter option.

So Porsche does have an OEM original equipment fit summer tire for this thing.

So theoretically, you could run both if you like, you know, swap them out as you see fit.

And I mean, with summer tires on it, you could take the thing to the track any time you want, it will still be a 911.

You'll just obviously won't have the suspension lifted when you're on the track because that won't be super fun.

But although actually maybe it would be kind of fun, especially if you're on a track that has some nasty curves.

You could, you could probably take advantage of the uh of the extra suspension compliance that way.

But yeah, this thing is, it's, it's a jack of all trades 911, which is not something I really expected to ever be excited about, but it is just such dumb fun.

It is ours was shade green metallic, which is probably the only thing that's subtle about this thing, but you can really option it up and get the uh sort of the rally package.

They call it the rally design package, uh which looks like it's a car racer.

It has, you know, numbers on the side.

It's got the racing stripes.

I think I might do that.

Even though I, I mean, I don't know, dated daily driving seems like almost like a ridiculous way to try to calibrate your brain around this car.

But you don't really need the roof rack and all that stuff, but it sure looks cool.

I like it.

Um, and this, for those of you who don't know because this is kind of a deep cut in history, even if you're a Porsche guy.

This car is a throwback to the 1984 Paris, the car rally, which Porsche won with a car, sort of like this.

So, um, great history here.

I like when they, um go back into the, you know, give a deep cut of history here and try to bring it out.

Um, in that, you know, it's, I think it's very cool in that sense too.

Um The other thing too, like you talk about Jack of all trades 911.

It's really interesting to drive a 911 with really good visibility that you can like, look around you and see stuff.

I was like, it was the most confident I've ever felt driving a Porsche 911 or 718.

Um, you know, just because a sports car, whether it's 100,000, 200,000 or $30,000 there is that sense of you're like close to the ground you can't see out of it.

Um, and it takes a minute to kind of get your bearings.

So, I, I liked it in many ways.

Yeah.

I don't know if you actually get a chance to sit in the passenger seat of it.

Um, I took my fiance for a drive yesterday before I traded the car with you and the passenger seat is actually mounted lower than the driver's seat.

They intentionally mounted the driver's seat higher.

So you can see out of it because she couldn't.

And granted she's short, she's quite short actually.

But still, like, I, I actually because she pointed that out, jumped over in the passenger seat and especially with those fixed buckets because I mean, you really have, you have forward and rear adjustment and that's effectively it.

So like, you know, if, if it's just too low or too high, you're just that you're stuck with it.

It is what it is, but you can option this with the 18 way adjustable seats.

So I had to look it up because that was literally one of the few things that my favorite Porsche seats in the world are the like single adjustable, like the, the pivoting back carbon bucket seats that they had in the like 987 K and R. And I think they still build effectively the same seat in like the Cayman Gt four and stuff like that.

They have limited adjustment, but it's still better than what we had in this.

And that would be my sweet spot personally.

But I think in this, if my only options are the fixed back or the 18 way, I'm going with the 18 way because I did feel like I was a little cocooned by that chair.

Yeah.

No, I meant to mention that it was, I mean, a car like this, I don't necessarily expect like, you know, like it's a Lincoln with like a million different ways to, you know, change and massage and all that stuff.

But, I mean, it's not super comfortable and it did give you that race car vibe.

Um, you know, the carbon seats, they're right up very secure, um, you know, very rigid.

You, you gotta be careful how you get into them frankly.

And then there's, um, uh, the steering also, I think gives you the, um, the race car vibe too because it's heavy, but it's also kind of light on center, which means it's a lot of work to drive.

This, I think is different steering that you would be used to in any Porsche you've ever experienced because it's not that direct linear thing that you might even feel like in the Maccan or the, you know, the cayenne from an SUV perspective or just the pure butter.

That is the 718 or the 911.

This is like, it's a workout you're in there, you're adjusting, you're two handing it, um, and it's cool, you know, it's Wrangler.

I hate when people just, oh, it drives like a Wrangler.

Well, no, it doesn't.

But there is that vibe, uh, as far as getting a workout of driving something, uh, and it reminded me on the few occasions I have driven race cars.

This is kind of what it's like is you're in there, you're driving the car, you're not comfortable and you're focused and that's what they're going for.

Yeah.

And everything about driving, it is pretty immediate.

They did a pretty good job of isolating the road noise.

I'm surprised given how aggressive the tires are.

Um, I mean, they're only, let's see, they're 245 so they're relative, they're not super wide tires.

But, uh, well, 295 in the rear, so decent, decently wide in the rear and the, the rears will spin even with all of the nannies on.

I mean, if you, if you pull away aggressively from a stoplight and I'm not even talking about like, launch control, but if you just kind of get on it a little bit in the dry, the rear tires will absolutely spin before the thing catches a little bit.

It doesn't even like, blink the traction control at you or anything.

It's just baked into the way the car's throttle management is tuned.

So it's, it was meant to be driven a little bit loose.

And I noticed that at perhaps higher speeds, um, especially when cornering, you would detect the tire drift so you can feel the, the grift fall.

I'm sorry, the grip falling away as you're, you know, dialing the, the, the steering and it actually, like you get really good feedback, but they did a good job of isolating the noise aspect of that from the cabin given how raw the rest of the car is.

I was actually kind of surprised by how composed it can be.

We should talk to about the um the design elements.

I mean, you're talking like all terrain side skirts like wheel arches that will get your attention.

Uh There's the front sort of skid plate which helps you with uh you know, the depart break over angles, whatever you might be doing huge carbon fiber uh polymer rear spoiler, which is, I think that's really cool because it doesn't shoot up like a wing on like one of the Gt Porsches.

It's like totally integrated back for like the most intense arrow.

I was outside of a coffee shop this morning because you know, you gotta drive somewhere, right?

So for you to get a coffee and a pastry just casually uh like slacking.

So I just put my coffee on the spoiler for a second and I realize I feel like eyes on me and I look over this guy is like staring at the car, taking a picture of it and zooming it out of the spoiler and I'm like kind of flicking through, deleting like a email or something like.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Hey, how's it going?

This is pretty wild.

Totally forgot.

I was in this thing for a second but in the wheels look sweet.

The rally sort of style wheels.

Um, yeah, things dripping in carbon fiber too.

You know, the seats, the, the hood is carbon fiber.

I went to fresh time last night to get some strawberries and fruit.

A little bit of bread just kind of quick midweek uh grocery tune up for everybody and I walk out to the car and you pop the hood, then you uh the, the trunk.

Yeah, the, you know, I, I associate with evs now but so I put up the forward compartment and then there's a little latch underneath that.

You got to slide, you got to slip your hand into there and slide it.

You can see all the carbon fiber there, which is really cool.

Um It's a good place to put groceries and this is unlike other nine elevens, this of course, does not have a backseat.

Um There's room for one but that's not what they're going for here because it's, you know, intense um you know, approach to weight reduction.

I don't know, what am I leaving out?

I mean, just the, the curb appeal and the visual is just, it's hard to put into words.

You gotta check out the pictures, we're gonna have a story uh in the coming weeks So if you're listening to this, we'll probably have it up later in the month.

Um Cool as hell, man.

Yeah.

Yeah, absolutely.

One of my, certainly my highlight for the year and probably my highlight e easily going back to that 720 s just uh just a, a remarkable machine.

We are getting allegedly, I don't want to drink uh jinx this, but we're getting a strato, a Lamborghini Strato allegedly later in the month.

So I mean, this is the best time of the year for like, you know, testing out different cars and coming up with great story ideas.

So it's, it's a lot of fun here.

Um You know, and I also have noticed this, you may have noticed this for your years of the press fleet.

It feels like in fall, there's like almost like a going out of business sale.

Like we get this like rush of sports cars and like October.

And so, so there's sort of like two seasons and this is, this is obviously like one of the high seasons.

So very cool, having a lot of fun with it.

We'll have a lot of good stories and stuff on this.

I'm gonna drop some stuff on to Twitter and Instagram.

Um just kind of wet the whistle, but I mean, it's a hell of a car.

So, all right, let's move on over to uh I spent the weekend in the Mercedes E 354 Matic.

Um It's been a minute since I've been in the uh just the regular E plan and I think in the EQE more recently and just the electric uh Mercedes lineup in general, this came in at about $82,000.

It had the turbo uh 2 2 L in line four turbo uh with the hybrid assist, which means I got really good fuel economy, uh turn 55 horsepower, turn 95 feet of torque, uh nicely equipped but not totally loaded.

The big thing I would like really call out here is I've been putting Mercedes uh especially the C and the E class above their BMW and Audi counterparts because of just the overall ex fusion stem to stern.

And for me that also that starts with the interior, uh just this interior was gorgeous.

Uh leather, well laid out lots of screens because that's what Mercedes is doing.

Uh I, that to me is a little polarizing, but I still generally liked it and they were easy to use.

The ambient lighting was gorgeous.

I was coming back from a golf trip and I had played, I played 18 holes that day at a place called The Quarry, which is one of the toughest golf courses in the state.

And I didn't play very good, although I had a great uh bogey on the final hole if you could have a good such a thing as a great bogey.

Um So I was pretty tired is my point.

I had played 72 holes that weekend and this thing with its sort of kinetic, it's not a full on massage, but like a kinetic movement helped keep me, like, you know, help the circulation flowing and keeping me on my toes.

And that started to rain like me early in the trip.

And I'm like, oh man, I just kind of in my head thought I'm just gonna cannonball home, six o'clock, finish the teeth hole.

I'll be home by like 930 because we were up north as we say in Michigan, rain starts pouring and I'm like, oh, ok.

So I stopped for gas, get a coffee working my way, you know, downstate it's getting pretty bad.

So I'm thinking, well, what do I do?

I don't really wanna stop.

Um It's format, you know, that can help a bit and things like this.

So what I did is I just kept saying, hey Mercedes and I kept pulling up whatever song came into my head and whether it was Spotify, Apple Music, Amazon, the like it was just Mercedes sort of digital assistant became my personal DJ and I kind of forgot about the rain and it just, you know, was paying locked in attention to the road, but also just listening to music, great sound system and having a, I actually had a great time.

By the time I got home, I still was like, wow, I made good time.

I like the stress factor was gone.

So, yeah, man, this thing has everything as far as like whatever digital music catalog you might be interested in.

I mean, Deep cuts.

It was uh it was very much like kit in Night Rider where you would say something and then the ambient lighting would give you a response.

If you were Drifting Lanes, the ambient lighting would flag sort of red.

Um It's a really cool experience of the interior.

Um The only song like literally I picked probably 20 songs.

It was only tripped up on a couple.

The one song was picked up, uh, or confused by was the Weight by the band.

Um So I said play the band and it figured it out so good, good song for the end of the road trip too, I think.

Um So yeah, I mean, I like the outside.

I think it's Mercedes is they've cleaned up some of their like sort of contours.

Concave styling.

It seemed like for a while.

They tried to make every car look like Ac LS and now it's cleaned up, tapered up.

Um I think that's where BMW might have an edge.

You might prefer some of the BMW styling if you're into that or Audi but stem to stern, I think the class is segment and this weekend test drive, you know, reinforced that for me.

So, um pretty good value too for 82,000.

I, that's a weird sentence to say, but you get a ton of stuff and it is competitive for what, you know, the other German carmakers are doing.

So, have you been in a E 350 or any E class lately?

I was actually in an eclass just uh when we were doing the electric car comparison last month, which is live on the site.

Go check that out.

Um We, uh we had that as like one of our swap and support vehicles so we could get everything moved around.

So I spent a little bit of time and then I actually think I got to drive that downtown to the Fisher or something like that for a show.

I do remember actually spending some time in it and I've been a fan of the, the most recent E class for a while.

I actually really, really quite like them.

Um And like you even more than the EQE, especially just because it's frankly more attractive to look at.

Um So yeah, that's, this is definitely in the Mercedes lineup, one of the highlights for me and I believe it was an E 450 that I had.

So I had a leg up on you engine wise.

Um I don't remember doing much with the performance.

It was just a, you know, the, the 36 hours where I was actually driving the thing just, uh you know, using it as a vehicle to take a couple of friends to the airport.

So Yeah, they, they got high marks from my passengers.

So yeah, do you, I mean when you look at the segment, especially as it relates to Germans, but also, you know, Alex in there, Lexus et cetera.

Where do you put the eclass?

You think it's one or two, number one for sure.

Distant fifth.

I don't know.

Where are you out of the E class these days?

Uh For me that would, for like luxury mid size, I would actually probably put it first just um on like holistically like it's, it's the most luxurious of the interior options.

Um You have the the most customizing or customizable options, the the most, you know, just kind of, you can build it pretty much however you want.

And you know, my Audi and BMW offer similar things with, with Mercedes, you just feel like the luxury part comes first and maybe not in the same way it does with BMW and Audi that, that kind of lean a bit more toward performance or all wheel drive.

And since Mercedes has never cared quite as much as about having the best handling and all that, I think it shows on the luxury side of things.

So it would, it would just, it's generally my first pick in the hierarchy.

That's a great way to put it too.

I think I, I would still definitely consider a five series, but if from the driving perspective and nothing wrong with any of the Audi options, but I just feel like if you're leaning a little more towards luxury and sort of that, I mean, we'll use a Cadillac term, art and design to be the Mercedes does it all whereas the Audi is a little more polarizing.

Um I suppose you could throw the CT five in there, which is a great car.

But um yeah, I like the class a lot.

So, yeah, I mean, you can, you can be really excited about the CT fives dynamics, but when it comes time to build one, you're not going to get anywhere near the eclass and luxury.

Unfortunately, I mean, they, they, they, there's probably decent pa I haven't looked recently, you know, where they do actually overlap the Cadillac, I'm sure it does perfectly well.

But once you get to the point where Cadillac stops competing, Mercedes just runs away with it.

So, all right.

Sounds good.

So let's talk about this Mazda that we were both, uh traded off this week.

Uh This is the, uh, the CX 70.

Uh, we've both spent a fair amount of time in the CX 90.

That's a long termer, but this one for me had a nice sweet spot had the straight six.

It's the two row version of the CX 90 it was almost exactly the same as our long termer.

Uh, albeit with a nicer interior, it had more leather.

It was kind of like a saddle brown with some plush surfaces.

Um So my, my mini review is I like the straight six a lot better.

I like the dynamics of the CX 70.

It did feel a little more like that sporty Mazda vibe that you're kind of going for versus the CX 90 which I felt with its kind of heavy steering that felt a little out of, out of for me at a large three row crossover.

Uh So I liked all of that Mazda Goodness and a slightly smaller uh configuration.

And I mean, obviously the straight six power train to me is just a gem.

I like that a lot.

It's a great engine, uh way better than the plug in hybrid in our long term.

So, uh what did you do for your night in this thing?

So I really haven't done a whole lot with it yet.

Um I pretty much parked it into the driveway next to the CX 90 long term, which is great because they're both white and I was a little amused by the fact that like on the, the little fender, the fake fender bent badge on both of them, the, the long term vehicle we have is the plug in version.

It says ph right there on the, on the thing.

And I was like, oh, ok, sure.

Yeah, denote that it's a hybrid.

Then I looked over at the other one and they literally spell out in line six on the, on the little thing and I was like, that's a little, that's a little silly like we did.

That seems unnecessary.

Like there can be the one that is in the hybrid can just, you know, it doesn't need to say in line six on it.

I would appreciate it.

And I'm sure the lot boys at the Maza dealerships appreciate it because it'll make it a little easier to figure out which car, especially if they're all white or all gray or all black.

Like dealer lots tend to be these days.

But I thought that was a little weird.

So, but yeah, I'm gonna do some stuff with that this week.

Take advantage of the uh the big cargo area.

Um, do some uh some landscaping and garage build related stuff, but uh I'll do some comparison photos and a little write up on that just to kind of give everybody a sense of how much extra space you get in the CX 70 versus the CX 90.

Nice.

So, just to be clear, you have both our long term and this thing in your driveway and you're kind of, oh, that's hilarious.

Did you ever walk out of your garage or your house?

And you just, you grab the R key five or you're confused.

You get in the R car, your neighbors, I'm sure are like, what's going on here?

Yeah.

Well, and I, I've also, it's been especially bad because I'm having this, the new garage slab has gone in.

It's, it's literally just like 30 days old.

It's just cured.

The, the 911 is the first car I've literally parked on the fresh concrete since II, I had it poured, which I felt like it was an appropriate christening because, you know, it's worth about as much as my entire property.

So, why not?

And, uh, but yeah, like I've iced myself this week because I parked the Wrangler where I'd normally would charge the plug in or any other EV that I have.

So I haven't actually plugged the CX 90 in since I got it.

It was delivered to me with a little bit of charge and I've been kind of, I've mostly just been city driving it.

So I've been bouncing in between about a, probably about a 20% and 0% state of charge on the battery and I've yet to actually plug it in.

So, driving the in line six feels quite punchy because I'm getting a full six cylinder engine instead of the, the truncated four cylinder attached to the electric motor in the, in the ph.

So, uh, so far, yeah, the in line six would be my pick, but I haven't really given the P hea fair shake yet.

So.

All right, sounds good.

Well, more on that to come and since we are talking about long termers, uh, you have a WRX, uh, you did a long term update on that recently talking about, uh, I would say your grief over having to give the car up.

You, uh you had a really good time with it as I think we frankly all have, uh give me your final assessment of your roughly month with our long term.

I uh II, I really, really, really enjoyed it.

I only have like two or three complaints about the car.

Um I wish the initial brake pedal feel was a little more aggressive.

Just a tad, more bite would be nice.

It, it feels a bit soft.

Sometimes it makes the car feel heavier than it is because it's really not, it's actually a surprising lightweight for being an all wheel drive uh car.

Um the sound system, even the the premium believes Harmon Cardin in the in the limited uh is perfectly fine, but I it kind of made me regret getting the CD player accessory because like you can't really enjoy the extra fidelity you get from a lossless like CD quality recording.

So that's kind of a mixed bag.

Um And it's just like the infotainment is there and it works just that's about the nicest thing I can say about.

It's, it's fine.

Um I would skip it honestly, I would get AAA premium or actually I think you might even have to go down to a base to get the standard screen and not get the and I would just, you know, let my phone do the rest because there's just not enough there really in my mind to, to compel the upgrade.

And I've also, in this time, we've, I also drove the Wrxt Dr, which is a 2024 model and our long term or older.

Um, so the one thing that, that pointed out to me is they've gone away from the mono stable turn signal stock in the 2024.

So you get a regular turn signal that actually stays put.

When you push it all the way down, you have to reset it once you, you know, all the normal things you expect from a turn signal instead of the silly little one that returns to center all the time.

And driving the 2024 made me wish the 2023 didn't have that feature.

So anyway, that just really small things.

I mean, I mean, I'm, I'm nitpicking here like it's just, it's a great little car.

It's super fun to drive.

It really likes being driven as hard as you like or just puttering around like it, it is just a, it's a very versatile, fun little thing.

If it wasn't orange, it would be subtle as I'll get out even with the, the silly fender cladding on it.

So, yeah, I'm um, I'm I was really impressed by it and if I were in the market for that kind of thing, I've never been a Wrx fan in my life.

This is like a new, new feeling for me.

A whole new sensation.

Uh, if I was in the market I would, I would, I would go for it without hesitation.

Yeah, I would say, um, you know, again, as far as, like, if I were in the market, this is about as good as you can do so much fun.

It's, um, you know, it's, it's a fun vehicle.

It does everything you want to do.

I'm looking forward to it.

Coming back through my personal fleet.

I was among the first to get into it.

So, and I did it, I did sort of like one of our first winter tests with it.

So I'm looking forward to getting into it with like the winter tires, uh, really being able to like, just, you know, be on that gearbox, uh, and just, you know, the last couple, like weeks as we really start to get into like the early part of summer here and it's light until like almost 930.

I've been taking some of these amazing cars and driving to like, leave at like 845 and drive till almost 10 o'clock.

It's still warm out.

I mean, it's, it's awesome.

So this is a car I'd like to do that in, you know, really, it's crazy how like in the winter it like 630 it's dark out or sometimes 430 like, you're done with the day.

But like, literally last night, my thought was, well, I already cut the grass last night at like nine o'clock.

I think I'll go for a drive tonight and then come home, take a hot shower, go to sleep, you know, and maybe watch the Tigers try to struggle to get some offense, you know.

And it's, it's a nice time of year.

It really is.

All right.

So let's, uh, let's move along here, uh, to our new section.

Uh, we'll talk about the future of, uh, the SUP.

This is a report that we had, uh that I think is kind of interesting that we don't really know what's gonna happen.

The BMW Z four is gonna add production next year and Toyota has really not said anything.

Um I guess the sort of the crux of this is, does Toyota have the ability or the want to try to go go it alone on this?

I don't know.

I, I would honestly say no, but on the other hand, you look at the ethos of their company for the last 10 years as they have been interested in sports cars, you know, right down to the, uh you know, the 86 the partnership with Subaru for the BRZ, which I think I'm about to get uh one of those later today.

It's sports car week.

So what do you think is next for the supra?

Is this a short cut of solar flare life or are we gonna see more of it?

Honestly, I it's been so popular and so well received that it seems like they, they have a lot of incentive to continue with it if they can.

And this has had me thinking a little bit about like, you know, Mazda's kind of been in no man's land with their rear wheel drive platform development on like smaller vehicles, like we were getting it in the suvs.

Um And there were rumors of a new Mazda Six that seem to kind of come and go and Toyota and Mazda, obviously there's a, there's a business relationship there.

It would be really nice to see a shared platform between those two companies because you could produce like, you know, because you could get like a hybrid power train out of it.

Then maybe, you know, Maza keeps saying, oh yeah, we want to do a rotary hybrid.

Ok. Sure, maybe.

But if you have a platform like that where you can share the cost of at least the chassis and the hybrid components with Toyota and let Toyota do it in line six or something like that for their version of it for Supra and keep a Renas or something like that alive on the Mazda side of things to do a new Rx coup of some kind that's kind of a win win or even turn it into a sedan option for, for Mazda if they're really intent on doing a new Mazda six or something like that again and stick with just, you know, a standard in line cylinder engine instead of doing a rotary like that.

I think there's, there's potential there that both companies could benefit from.

Obviously Maza would benefit more from Toyota scale and all of that.

But I mean, it, it, it gets Toyota out of having to deal with the Germans, which I don't, I mean, maybe they enjoy working with BMW.

Maybe it's a good relationship.

I don't know, but it just, it never really felt like it gelled for me in, in the character of the vehicle itself.

And, you know, a, a Japanese collaboration with the company that they already have AAA business stake in seems to make a lot more sense to me in terms of just kind of like the holistic, you know, vehicle.

So there's potential there.

Um I don't know if Mazda can spend enough money to make it worthwhile for Toyota to do it.

And I don't know if Toyota wants to spend enough money to make it worthwhile for Mazda to do it.

So it's, it's maybe not the best situation for it, but the product I think would be very good if they went down that road.

So I would like to see them explore that if they think it's viable.

But, you know, it's just to be, it's a platform question.

I think there is a number of engine tie ups.

Uh or I think Toyota just has something on the shelf they could use to make it work.

But without BMW doing the chassis work, they gotta figure that out.

And I, you know, if I were a betting guy, I'd put it at 5050 that they either go it alone or find, uh, find a teammate, you know, Mazda to your point.

Makes a ton of sense.

But, yeah, I don't know.

That's, I, I think it's 5050 for the supra.

Maybe it even goes away for a few years.

Sort of like the Camaro then comes back is like the supra with a different, you know, maybe they stretch a platform or shorten a platform.

I don't know, but I would just bring it all together.

5050 is what I would say.

And I mean, they have the RCIS platform is still there.

I mean, that's a very old car at this point.

The fundamentals of that are pretty old and they also have the LC, you know, chassis, like there's, they have rear wheel drive vehicles in their lineup that aren't just BMW S. So there's, there's stuff there they can work with, but whether they can modernize any of that to the extent that would make everybody involved happy and content with, you know, moving forward because I, I don't see like the RC or Lexus is uh being like a good candidate for electrification because it's just, I mean, it's an ancient, ancient platform at this point.

So maybe LC is in better shape because actually I'm not familiar with the fundamentals of that chassis.

So, I don't actually know like what they can and can't do with it.

But, I mean, they're selling a very expensive luxury vehicle on it right now.

So it can't be all that bad.

That's true.

We'll get to that to spend my money.

So I can hear it's a good one.

All right.

So, uh, this is kind of insider but the Geneva Motor Show is officially canceled, uh, which for those of us of a certain age, it's stunning because this was one of the top three biggest shows on the calendar for years, for decades, it was neutral ground.

So all the European automakers showed up for the Americans would dabble with it a lot of times like Corvette had a history of showing uh different performance models there.

I believe they showed the first Corvette convertible back there in the early fifties.

So, like the Americans didn't totally ignore it.

Uh, Ford always had a big European presence.

Um, I mean, this to me would be the equivalent of the Detroit Auto Show being canceled, you know, like forever.

Uh, they are gonna sort of relaunch it.

Um, you know, next year, uh, do it a little bit differently.

Uh, i it's, it's not really the Geneva Motor Show anymore.

They're gonna move it to cutter.

So, I mean, to me, at that point, they did try that last year as sort of an interim solution, but it's at this point.

I don't even know what they're going to call it, but it's not the Geneva Motor Show anymore.

So, um a little in Sider here, but I mean, to a broader point, a lot of you auto blog readers in March, this is when you saw all those crazy concepts, all the cool cars like, you know, BMW would basically preview what it's gonna do for the next year.

Um So, I mean, to me, it just speaks to the fact that motor shows are, they're different and they're never going to be built what they were even five years ago.

Um And the fact that one, like the whole notion of too big to fail, I mean, that, you know, clearly the business model has changed.

So, uh, hell, a lot of great memories of the Geneva Motor Show first time I went to Europe in 2010, uh, went over there and it was unbelievable show.

I actually hung out with one of our contributors, Jonathan Ramsey and, um, you know, we had some good times but it was a glitzy show but a hard, you know, hard working show.

A lot of news.

So, I mean, what do you think this portends for auto shows?

I mean, are you think more are gonna fall by the wayside?

I mean, it seems inevitable and, I mean, you know, Americans may have more of a love affair with car than some others, but, I mean, Germany certainly has its own history.

And, you know, Switzerland being right next door, you know, you're, you're, you're talking about a lot of, a lot of heritage there that, you know, lacking the momentum that it once had is, is hard for everybody.

But at the same time, I mean, shows are, are about exposure and if the automakers are getting their exposure in other ways and that's online and through social channels and all that, then they're content with whatever the new normal is.

And that's something we'll just have to adjust to, especially considering, you know, that we're also getting materials from them digitally instead of having to rely on, you know, physical media and things like that the way we did 1520 years ago.

So, you know, the landscapes changed and the the consumption experience has changed and everything changes with it.

And, you know, we're kind of along for the ride to an extent.

Yeah, I think the big thing was obviously COVID.

They, the show reading our story, the show is 95% ready to launch in March of 2020 then they canceled it and they took a huge financial hit and that just like they weren't apparently able to just to come back from that.

So I, I kind of feel like it would probably still be sort of trucking along if it wasn't for that.

But so it goes, I mean, Paris has been greatly diminished, Frankfurt, which was on a sheer scale.

The biggest auto show is in Munich now and much diminished.

Uh, Detroit's gonna try to give it another go back in January of next year.

Uh L A and New York seem to be hanging on pretty good for what they are, which is like big American cities, uh, with mid level shows, you know, they're, and I think they've managed to maintain that sort of mid level show perhaps because it's so desirable to, you know, show your car in New York or L A.

But I mean, we'll see, I mean, a vehicle we'll talk about, we'll say right now, the Jeep Grant, the Jeep wagon or s this is the EV, um, probably would have been shown in New York if this were a few years ago, but Jeep chose to the New York Auto Show.

It was shown in New York, but instead they showed it two months later.

Uh and kind of, I think they rung the opening bell at the New York Stock Exchange.

Uh It was just a different way to get their message out.

Uh So I think that's what we're gonna see automakers doing more and more of.

Um, and it hasn't always been that way, Ford showed the Mustang at the New York or the World's fair in New York back in the sixties, they didn't show at the New York Auto Show.

So, um, you know, auto shows haven't always been these sort of Super Bowl events that we maybe are used to.

But let's talk about this.

Wot E uh Joel Stockdale, our news editor was there.

Uh It's pretty good looking Jeep.

It, uh, it almost has a bit of a land rover jaguar kind of look to it, which I think is a good thing.

Uh This is the first full electric Jeep.

Uh We're talking over 600 horsepower, uh 617 feet of torque.

It's got two electric motors.

Uh This thing will get to 60 at 3.4 seconds, which is only 2/10 of a second slower than the 911.

Dar.

Um Not that you would ever have occasion to race them.

Um but this is a big step for Jeep.

Uh it's built on the STL A platform, the large version of that.

So they build all sorts of things on that, including the new charger.

Uh I think this is gonna be uh a winner for Jeep.

I think they needed to get, they're going right at the heart of the market which is uh the heart of the market that you can monetize.

Let me clarify that, which is slap a Jeep name on it.

Make it luxurious, give it a ton of range and it's gonna be expensive, but I doubt they'll lose money.

So uh I'm I'm excited ready to drive this thing.

Yeah, it looks pretty impressive.

I'm, I'm and, and I mean, I'm not a huge fan of the wagon ear styling, but I actually think the wagon ear s looks very good and I, I'm assuming it's gonna have a lot more in common with like the dodge stealth that is, you know, forthcoming, but, you know, same, same platform, same general form factor and this, like the aggressive and, and kind of more chiseled off lines really work on this car.

I think they, they help make the wagon ear look less cumbersome than the ice models do.

To me.

Of course, I don't hate the wagon ear, the grand wagon ear, but I'm totally with you on that.

Uh As far as I think in a vacuum, they look ok.

But to me, they had an opportunity to do like a very special, luxurious Jeep with character and what they ended up with, I think is something that could easily fit in the Lexus or GMC lineup.

And that's not a, like a dis to either of those companies, but Jeep has a very unique design language and to me, they just made a squared off, you know, SUV from Detroit, it looks like a big three SUV and it doesn't look like a Jeep.

It could, this could be a Tahoe.

So without the grill.

So, all right, so check out Joel's story.

He's got all the specs, all the details.

Uh he spoke to a number of Jeep and ST anti executives, one of the things he kind of drilled out of them is that the ram charger power train is going to be uh used uh for the wagged E four by E which is the, uh you know, a variant of the uh the different electrified power trains they're using.

I think that's an interesting move.

I think that it's like an extended range hybrid.

Uh but with still a very uh a lot of electric range and I'm sure they'll tailor the EV specs to each segment.

So the ra M charger will be different from this Jeep.

But I mean, it makes a lot of sense.

Uh I, I would say it's was expected.

Uh but, you know, Jeep is really gonna be getting into the electrified game here in a big way in the next year and two year or two.

Yeah.

And it's, it's really interesting to see like what Jeep is doing with a four by E kind of as a, as a concept because up until this point, it's essentially been just like an oversized motor stuck in like where the starter goes.

And it's just kind of just like a very simplistic plug in hybrid system to, to like not to, to knock them.

I mean, they developed it rather quickly.

It kind of came out of nowhere.

I mean, we got the Wrangler four by E pretty much overnight.

It just sort of appeared, it's like, oh, there it is, we've got a plug in now.

And so like it, it was I, I think rudimentary might be the best way to describe the, the implementation of the original four by E. And then now we're going to a very wildly different interpretation of that marketing where now it's essentially a range, extended electric car.

So four by E no longer means one thing which will be confusing to both us and potentially, you know, shoppers and readers.

That's what we're here for.

We will guide you, but it's gonna be kind of uh interesting to see what else they do with it.

Because if you go to Europe, they, they've got a new, I forget what the name of the, the little uh subcompact is over there that is now also being offered in what they're calling A four by eight is actually just kind of, I think it's actually even just a mild hybrid and not even a full hybrid.

So what four by eight means seems to be varying greatly depending on which vehicle you're looking at.

And I think that's going to continue to, to be the case more and more as, as Jeep progresses through this lineup.

But it's, uh, you know, we're in a transitional period.

It's to be expected, but it's gonna be interesting kind of having these conversations with buyers and uh setting expectations for them, given the, the kind of wildly different definitions we're, we're landing on here.

I think four by E is just gonna become another almost marketing term versus a technical term.

It'll just mean that when you buy a Jeep in some way, it's, uh, it off-road ready, sort of electrified in some form vehicle.

So, and, and Jeeps certainly not.

The only part like Volvo has done this with a recharge, recharge means different things depending on which model you're looking at.

So, yeah, it's, it's certainly not without precedent.

Well, what the hell does am G or M or, you know, V beat at the moment?

So, I mean, you know, these are some historic names and if J wants to take four by E, which I don't think most people know even what the hell it means by all means Jeep do what you gotta do.

So I don't even think, I mean, honestly, even in our circles, some people still say four xe just because they like no one said four by E out loud to them and had them go oh, of course, because you know, but, and I mean, it's kind of a silly idea to begin with, but that's a conversation for another time.

They did confirm the gladiator finally is getting the four by eight.

Uh you know, I'd give myself a small pat on the back.

I had that scoop about a year ago and then they just didn't say anything and it actually made me start to wonder.

I was like, hey guys, don't cancel it.

That make me look bad like you're holding the bag like you were right when it was written, but then something changed, but now, then they confirmed it.

So that, that's gonna be a neat one.

But again, that's that four by E is vastly different than like a ra M charger based four by E. But also the vehicle I'd be very interested in checking out if I could get a good deal on one same.

Especially now since we're seeing like the, the got spy shots of what looks like a hybrid Maverick with all wheel drive.

So we're going to have two new hybrid pickup trucks potentially over the next couple of years in addition to the Toyota Tacoma, which we already have.

So things are, things are changing and, you know, more, more transition Mavericks definitely.

Uh I think a segment where Ford has suburb to run, they, I think they should do a lot of different things with that sort of tapestry.

I think that's, uh, you know, as time passes, that was a brilliant move to get rid of the focus and put a pickup truck in there.

That can be, it can be a daily driver, it can actually do some truck stuff.

Uh, it's affordable.

I mean, now they need to like, you know, hybrid it up, sport it up, you can have some fun with that and I think you'll get more and more and more buyers.

So, uh kind of a footnote but the Cherokee is back, that seems to be, or it will be according to reports.

Uh, it seems to be doing things like, like the Camaro, like the land cruiser, which is where something gets, you know, sunset and then like, oh, lo and behold, eight months, 18 months.

Uh, we hear rumblings that it's back.

I think the big deal is that they didn't really have a spot to build it as they were shuffling different, uh, you know, their product line up.

Uh But we think we're gonna get probably official word by the end of the year.

So, I mean, I, I kind of thought this was inevitable but um yeah, we'll see.

It sounds like it's gonna be built uh in Mexico where they're building the compass right now.

Um So, yeah, I mean, they obviously it fits in a segment where there's a lot of, a lot of different buyers and Jeep, you know, has been there for a long time.

I think for me, the big question will be is how do they position it?

What kind of power train we talk in here?

We don't really know that.

And then what kind of design do they with?

You know, it was controversial and they made it this, I think it aesthetically, it looks very good, but it was very controversial when they brought it back and it wasn't this box on wheels like, you know, the iconic nineties one was.

But we'll see, I mean, I think frankly, I think that would be a good move is bring back the box and you know.

Yeah.

What do you think?

I'm 100% with you?

I mean, given the new land cruiser and the very strong hint from Nissan that we might get a New Xterra, I think a Cherokee could really win.

And really what I think Jeep could do is essentially make a, a recon that has a nice power train or a hybrid power train instead of dedicated EV.

So you can go with that whole like the boxy square European looking Jeep, not a Wrangler but kind of Wrangler adjacent with a full fixed body.

Skip the, you know, the removable roof stuff do it basically just like the XJ and you can push hybrid and ice there versus the full electric and recon and you hit all your customers that way.

I mean, it's just like, you know, that to me that feels like almost a no brainer.

So something like that, especially like if they can nail the styling, if they can give us something that says like nineties Cherokee because you know, that's a car that like not even just like car enthusiasts.

Like that's, it's, it's a culturally significant shape.

It's like the like the sixties seventies Broncos, how those are like Hollywood cars now, keys are starting to become like Hollywood cars too, like you're seeing it like Harry Bosch drives one in the Amazon series, you know, like stuff like that is is, you know, culturally out there.

So, I, I think there's a, you know, Jeep can run forever on Wrangler.

I mean, they could probably be the only vehicle they ever build and they'd still be successful, but Cherokee certainly has a place in all of our hearts, I think.

And it would be nice to see it come back in a way that really honors the old name.

Yeah, I, 100% is Bosch a pretty good show.

I'm looking for some, some viewing.

I need that on the list.

I should be adding if you like, uh, you know, cop drama type stuff.

Absolutely.

It's, it's a grittier.

It's kind of, you know, like the, the gritty love letter to L A kind of the way the Wire is the gritty love letter to Baltimore.

But it is not nearly as intense or depressing as the Wire.

It is a far more not uplifting.

I will not call it uplifting, but it is less misery inducing than the Wire could be at times.

I want to watch the one, the season where it's centered around the Baltimore Sun of the Wire.

But I just, is it the final one?

Ok.

I just, it's a little intense and my sort of like binge watching from like, say 10 to 11, maybe midnight, depending on the dog decides she wants her final bathroom break.

It needs to be a little kind of like fuzzy.

It does, it can't be too hard hitting and this, I don't think that's gonna fit that.

So that's a tough one.

Yeah, I would not recommend that for late night watching if, if you want something to fall asleep after.

Yeah.

All right.

So, uh, that is, uh, most of our new segment, we will close things out just, uh, with, uh, kind of sad note.

Parnelli Jones passed away this week at 91 of the great racers of the second half of the 20th century.

Uh He was the oldest living Indy 500 winner, which I didn't quite realize, uh obviously great.

Uh and some of the sports car series of the seventies and eighties, I had occasion to meet him once at Pebble Beach in 2000.

I think it was 11 or 12.

He was there for the launch of the Boss Mustang.

Uh and he, it was a very memorable interview.

Uh If you google it hard enough, you could probably still find the story on Auto Week.

Uh We were Ford, got us out there to Laguna seca Dawn and he was just kind of there to be an ambassador about The Boss, uh which was cool and like the sun was coming up over the track.

It was still kind of dark and I remember it's interesting when you interview people, some people are nervous, some people are cagey.

Some people don't say anything.

Some people say way too much or they try to do stand up.

It's just like, wow, don't talk to the media or maybe even other humans for that matter.

But it was a very memorable interview because he was so calm, so insightful.

I can still remember how clear his blue eyes were, which made me think this is exactly the guy you want driving a race car.

Every answer was just precise, no stumbling exactly to the point.

Um You know, very cool gentleman.

So, um you know, obviously, uh you know, we salute, salute him as well and a fellow fan of bright orange performance cars.

So there we go.

Those are my people.

All right.

So let's close things out.

We have an update on spending uh your money and this uh this one, Sean from Fort Collins says he took delivery of 2024 Lexus LC 500 he says it's an amazing car.

Well, hey, glad to hear it.

The engine sound alone is worth the price.

Facts.

I would agree with that.

I did swap out the trim pieces above the taillights with some black chrome pieces.

Ok.

Sounds good.

Uh This is the first coup the dealership has sold for the 2024 model year.

Love the podcast.

Hey, Sean, thank you for listening.

So, uh uh pretty cool update.

Uh We've kind of betted this one around a couple of times and spend my money.

We gave some direction a while back about uh whether you know, he should go for the uh like the new model year.

Um And we did a review on this uh just a few days ago actually.

May 30th Zach Palmer, our road test editor got into the 2024.

So, um yeah, it's a, it's a beautiful car, you know, who knows if this power train will be GP the next supra.

Uh It's just, it's righteous.

Uh zag actually drove the hybrid.

Uh but to me it's all about the 5 L V eight.

That's a gem of an engine that Lexus, uh, when they got back into really good performance machines, that 5 L really gave them some life.

And, uh, you know, yeah, it's a rocket ship.

So I think, uh, I think you made a good call here, Sean.

I don't know if you have a, you have a descent here Byron or I, I highly doubt it.

No, absolutely not.

I was actually just behind an LC 500 convertible, uh, days ago and was admiring it stood, I actually sat behind him in the lane far too long because he wasn't going fast enough, but I just wanted to enjoy it a little bit before I moved along.

Yeah, that's a, that's a wonderful car.

And, uh, I agree with you 100% on that va too.

Um, I mean, from when it, it really kind of started punching up in the isf until now it's, it's been an absolute gem.

I'd really like to drive the, uh, the is 500 whatever, the f, sport, performance, whatever sport.

Yeah.

Uh, I, I have not, I haven't had a chance to drive that and, uh, I'm hoping one more of those will come through before the, before Lexus actually closes the book on that.

But that's a lot of car.

Man that is, I drove one of those, uh, it was a while ago, it was in the fall and I remember thinking temperature needs to stay above like, I don't know, 45 degrees because I think it was still on summers and that thing's a beast.

All right.

So, uh, yeah, I should make a note.

I just heard this on the radio this morning.

This is the 80th anniversary of D day.

Um We're recording that uh this podcast today.

So, uh kind of cool and ob obviously a salute to anybody who obviously is still with us out there from, you know, that historic day and in all veterans.

So, um, June 6th, um, so kind of cool.

Well, that's all the time we have this week.

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